Argh. You really only seem to have eyes for black and white. We have had universal health care and education (including free universities) for generations now here in northern europe and consider them the same way that you probably consider publich highways. If the US can not do it, it is because of systematic corruption (corporations and individuals milking the system because of poor legistlation), not because "it can not be done". All extreme oversimplified belief systems should be avoided, the devil lies in the details. People are in fact more productive easily when they do not have to worry about personal bancrupty by illness or any such thing, life is complicated enough and there are reasons to work hard without slave wages. 'nuf said.
Did you read the article? The farmers were poor. They wanted money. They sacrificed a 7 year old girl to "the gods" for better harvests so that they could get more money. That sounds like an individual, and a religious, incentive to me.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
And sure, we may pay higher personal taxes or have a higher cost of living than Americans (not by much)...but I've also never, for a second of my life, wondered what it would feel like to get hurt and be scared of whether or not I could afford to be made well again.
My spouse and I are both young professionals in industries unlikely to have been affected by the kind of economic downturn that hit America...Even with that security, I still want to live in a society that takes care of its sick and injured, whether they currently have a job or not.
To me, things like welfare and social assistance are on a completely different level than your physical health and well-being...
Sure. Let's see the list of people that atheists killed because of their lack of belief in a god. We can also say that because they didn't believe in Zeus they killed people. Or they don't believe in Osiris they killed people. Or they don't believe in Horus so they killed people.
People don't kill because they believe in god. They kill because others don't believe in their god.
"atheists kill because they have particular reasons for rejecting belief in God and have certain beliefs about the implications of that rejection"
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I refuse to believe that more people have lost their lives because of atheism versus those who have lost their lives in the name of a faith.
"anti-religious forms of atheism have led to countless deaths"
The least you can do is give examples since no one with knowledge of history can deny it.
The question is, do we blame the individual for these barbaric actions, or do we blame the religion? As not everyone who believes in the religion does this, and the fact the state is charging them with murder, we do not blame the religion for their actions, we blame them. Anything else will harm other members of the religion who had nothing to do with this.
NeosopheusJan 3, 2012Buried
What year is it again?
kc9eciJan 3, 2012Buried
assh**es. I'd like to sacrifice them to the gods of stupid.
humanitJan 3, 2012Buried
Argh. You really only seem to have eyes for black and white. We have had universal health care and education (including free universities) for generations now here in northern europe and consider them the same way that you probably consider publich highways. If the US can not do it, it is because of systematic corruption (corporations and individuals milking the system because of poor legistlation), not because "it can not be done". All extreme oversimplified belief systems should be avoided, the devil lies in the details. People are in fact more productive easily when they do not have to worry about personal bancrupty by illness or any such thing, life is complicated enough and there are reasons to work hard without slave wages. 'nuf said.
clitniblr036Jan 3, 2012Buried
That's a long wait list.
johnomazzJan 3, 2012Buried
At least the country isn't going along with it. They will be imprisoned and possible put to death.
jmaisJan 3, 2012Buried
Ok...wasted that 30 seconds of time I'll never get back...
isaac7719Jan 3, 2012Buried
Did you read the article? The farmers were poor. They wanted money. They sacrificed a 7 year old girl to "the gods" for better harvests so that they could get more money. That sounds like an individual, and a religious, incentive to me.
NeosopheusJan 3, 2012Buried
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
norman619Jan 3, 2012Buried
I will never get how anyone could ever think that the taking of a child's life like this is ever a good idea. This is beyond sad.
norman619Jan 3, 2012Buried
1012
armedrebelJan 3, 2012Buried
A year when people still believe in god(s) despite all the evidence generated to the contrary, unfortunately.
paulneyJan 3, 2012Buried
*Waves from Canada* Oh, it can be done.
And sure, we may pay higher personal taxes or have a higher cost of living than Americans (not by much)...but I've also never, for a second of my life, wondered what it would feel like to get hurt and be scared of whether or not I could afford to be made well again.
My spouse and I are both young professionals in industries unlikely to have been affected by the kind of economic downturn that hit America...Even with that security, I still want to live in a society that takes care of its sick and injured, whether they currently have a job or not.
To me, things like welfare and social assistance are on a completely different level than your physical health and well-being...
isaac7719Jan 3, 2012Buried
But they didn't... read the article..
charlesdkraussJan 3, 2012Buried
Sure. Let's see the list of people that atheists killed because of their lack of belief in a god. We can also say that because they didn't believe in Zeus they killed people. Or they don't believe in Osiris they killed people. Or they don't believe in Horus so they killed people.
berkanaJan 3, 2012Buried
They would be pleased; the farce is strong with these farmers.
razorsfuryJan 4, 2012Buried
People don't kill because they believe in god. They kill because others don't believe in their god.
"atheists kill because they have particular reasons for rejecting belief in God and have certain beliefs about the implications of that rejection"
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I refuse to believe that more people have lost their lives because of atheism versus those who have lost their lives in the name of a faith.
"anti-religious forms of atheism have led to countless deaths"
The least you can do is give examples since no one with knowledge of history can deny it.
PsychcompJan 3, 2012Buried
The question is, do we blame the individual for these barbaric actions, or do we blame the religion? As not everyone who believes in the religion does this, and the fact the state is charging them with murder, we do not blame the religion for their actions, we blame them. Anything else will harm other members of the religion who had nothing to do with this.
clitniblr036Jan 3, 2012Buried
Thank you, humanit. You hit the nail right on the head.
clitniblr036Jan 3, 2012Buried
LOL! I love that scene.
myztryJan 4, 2012Buried
Society has the purpose of creating order to avoid chaos.
Now what?