I agree - Wikipedia is pretty awesome. One neat feature that you apparently are not aware of is that each article provides original sources for the data. For example:
These are great photos reflecting a serious spell of very bad weather in continental Europe. But the submitter is being disingenuous about "global warming". The issue is "climate change".. the human race's dicking around with the environment causes a CHANGE in weather patterns, not everything gets uniformly warmer. It is worth pointing out though that many of these same places suffered a major drought during the summer, and now are being hit with a very severe winter.
Great shots kinda makes me glad I now live in Canada.
But have to point out many of the places included do regularly have snow and ice, it's not all global warming related!
Folks who suggest that these freezing anomalies serve to debunk "global warming" theories demonstrate what I refer to as "bottom of the barrel" thinking.
It seems like a very appropriate name, but more to the point, consider a large barrel filled with water and chunks of ice floating on the surface. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers are gauging the temperature of the water based on a very limited assessment of lower regions of the barrel.
The barrel is placed outdoors under a hot midday sun which quickly begins to increase the melting rate of the ice chunks on the surface. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers are informed that the barrel overall is warming up. Just at about this time, the near freezing runoff of the melting ice begins to drift downward through the water and is beginning to affectively lower the temperature at the bottom of the barrel. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers then perceive that this cooling pattern is in direct conflict with the concept of global warming, when in fact what they are failing to grasp is the complex interrelated dynamics of global weather patterns.
That's about the best I can do. To simplify it any more would require a handful of chalk and some cave walls.
The term Global Warming is not widely accepted due to the ease of misunderstanding the term. Climate change is preferable. Inclimate weather is also not to be confused with long term average global temperatures.
Correct. I also find is amusing when people assume that all places will see a mean increase in temperature, but in fact when Greenland melts the salinity of the North Atlantic will change the ocean currents and cause Europe to go into a real big freeze.
It's not widely known, but there were some computer simulations of the effects of rising ocean temperatures. One of the main impacts had to do with the currents in the North Atlantic essentially ceasing to function. This warming of the oceans could actually plunge Europe into Ice Age conditions, as counter intuitive as that may seem.
Well - the "they" was Bush. He changed it to climate change since it was a kinder, gentler term:
"Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe "global warming" as "climate change" since "climate change" was thought to sound less severe" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
Of course the ignorant right wing will try to capitalize on this, but it proves the effects of climate change. Science has been proven correct once again.
Some snow yes - but there is a difference between just snow and temperatures at -20-30 degrees F. I don't think Black and Mediterranean seas have frozen in at least several hundred years.
Exactly, "Global Warming" is the overall observed trend.. at a time when perhaps we should be seeing global cooling due to the natural long-term temperature oscillations we would expect.
elimgarakFeb 11, 2012Buried
I agree - Wikipedia is pretty awesome. One neat feature that you apparently are not aware of is that each article provides original sources for the data. For example:
http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig2-20.htm
http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig2-21.htm
Here is a separate source that shows temperatures fo the last 130 years: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/global-land-ocean-mntp-anom/201001-201012.gif
And here is yet another one: http://seaice.apl.washington.edu/Papers/JonesEtal99-SAT150.pdf
dynamooFeb 10, 2012Buried
These are great photos reflecting a serious spell of very bad weather in continental Europe. But the submitter is being disingenuous about "global warming". The issue is "climate change".. the human race's dicking around with the environment causes a CHANGE in weather patterns, not everything gets uniformly warmer. It is worth pointing out though that many of these same places suffered a major drought during the summer, and now are being hit with a very severe winter.
LifeCoachLinEFeb 10, 2012Buried
Great shots kinda makes me glad I now live in Canada.
But have to point out many of the places included do regularly have snow and ice, it's not all global warming related!
mrbussiFeb 11, 2012Buried
Source please?
elimgarakFeb 11, 2012Buried
You remember wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years
lunarparcelFeb 11, 2012Buried
Folks who suggest that these freezing anomalies serve to debunk "global warming" theories demonstrate what I refer to as "bottom of the barrel" thinking.
It seems like a very appropriate name, but more to the point, consider a large barrel filled with water and chunks of ice floating on the surface. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers are gauging the temperature of the water based on a very limited assessment of lower regions of the barrel.
The barrel is placed outdoors under a hot midday sun which quickly begins to increase the melting rate of the ice chunks on the surface. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers are informed that the barrel overall is warming up. Just at about this time, the near freezing runoff of the melting ice begins to drift downward through the water and is beginning to affectively lower the temperature at the bottom of the barrel. The "bottom of the barrel" thinkers then perceive that this cooling pattern is in direct conflict with the concept of global warming, when in fact what they are failing to grasp is the complex interrelated dynamics of global weather patterns.
That's about the best I can do. To simplify it any more would require a handful of chalk and some cave walls.
mjm6783Feb 10, 2012Buried
The term Global Warming is not widely accepted due to the ease of misunderstanding the term. Climate change is preferable. Inclimate weather is also not to be confused with long term average global temperatures.
jmcgowanFeb 11, 2012Buried
Correct. I also find is amusing when people assume that all places will see a mean increase in temperature, but in fact when Greenland melts the salinity of the North Atlantic will change the ocean currents and cause Europe to go into a real big freeze.
mjm6783Feb 10, 2012Buried
It's not widely known, but there were some computer simulations of the effects of rising ocean temperatures. One of the main impacts had to do with the currents in the North Atlantic essentially ceasing to function. This warming of the oceans could actually plunge Europe into Ice Age conditions, as counter intuitive as that may seem.
geejayeFeb 11, 2012Buried
Well - the "they" was Bush. He changed it to climate change since it was a kinder, gentler term:
"Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe "global warming" as "climate change" since "climate change" was thought to sound less severe" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
analogkid1Feb 11, 2012Buried
Fox News: An excellent source for fair and balanced information!
(sarcasm)
flamesniperFeb 11, 2012Buried
The submitter's an idiot. Warming = Localized weather patterns changing. Warming =/= localized weather patterns all warming.
xjimbojonesxFeb 11, 2012Buried
LOL, Pwned!
bobosmitorFeb 10, 2012Buried
It sure is colder then the usual winters they get there.
macliberalFeb 10, 2012Buried
Of course the ignorant right wing will try to capitalize on this, but it proves the effects of climate change. Science has been proven correct once again.
elimgarakFeb 11, 2012Buried
Some snow yes - but there is a difference between just snow and temperatures at -20-30 degrees F. I don't think Black and Mediterranean seas have frozen in at least several hundred years.
lbxac20Feb 11, 2012Buried
The AO index is currently strongly negative allowing the jet stream to dip further south than normal and bringing the cold with it.
muffcakesFeb 11, 2012Buried
Global warming is also accurate. A warmer globe will lead to some cooler regions.
dynamooFeb 11, 2012Buried
Exactly, "Global Warming" is the overall observed trend.. at a time when perhaps we should be seeing global cooling due to the natural long-term temperature oscillations we would expect.
blydchyldFeb 11, 2012Buried
Rather than listen to the big businesses who create the polution and pay for pocket scientists to claim the different, try and educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change for a start.