I agree. Similar legislation is surely to pass with a different name, likely accompanied by the fancy word compromise.
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What I don't get is, does it matter if congress passes such a bill?
We just saw megaupload get seized.
Last year, we saw a carpet seizure and shutdown of every site on certain blog hosts.
The so called justice department has already asserted the power to shut down websites and arrest webmasters, whose users happen to upload copyrighted material.
The precedent seems to have already been set.
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On another note, I find it interesting that some of the primary sources used for copyright violations came from MPAA estimates.
We all know how upstanding and honest the MPAA is...not.
We all know how accurate past claims have been, or inaccurate and grossly over "estimated."
An odd coincidence with these seized and shutdown sites is that they just happen to be platforms making the old media industry irrelevant.
i agree with you zbeast, they already did it once with COICA, now again with sopa and pipa. maybe its time the american people got together and made it impossible to re-enact these types of bills by submitting their own through a favourable congressman or woman. i dont know any myself, but at least try to do something about this thing rebounding. honestly, all capable countries citizens should try to do the same with their own government so as to keep any sort of censorship from appearing.
Congress never proved there was an actual problem in the first place. They never bothered to. They kept saying 'everyone knows this is a huge problem!' 'it is costing millions of jobs!' 'every year American businesses lose billions of dollars!' But they proved nothing. They conducted no research. They performed no study. They present no evidence. They state truisms and then try to say that is a good enough reason to pass legislation.
The responsible thing to do is this:
A: Conduct the proper research and studies to gather as much information as possible.
B: Use the collected data to determine whether or not there is a problem.
C: If there is a problem, can is be solved through legislative means without fundamentally changing the way the internet works?
This reeks of Safe PORT Act 2006. The bill that ended up banning Internet gaming (ie: playing online poker for money). The Internet gaming bill at one time was its own piece of legislation and just like SOPA and PIPA faced huge criticism by many different lobby groups fighting to keep the Internet open.
Once the original bill was defeated, the Internet gaming billed magically got tacked on to the back side of Safe PORT Act which received unanimous support (what bill that was designed to protect the United States back in 2006 didn't receive such support?), and when Safe PORT got passed finally it protected ports (although I am sure that point can be debated) and took away online poker (at least for cash).
The same thing will happen with either SOPA, PIPA and ACTA or any combination of the three. None of these bills are "dead" they are just taking a little siesta until no one is looking and viola will end up being law piggy back off some innocuous piece of legislation.
It's amazing the extent to which we have to watch the representatives that WE elect, just to ensure they're not doing something to screw the people who voted for them.
Now that they're shelved we have to make it clear to the idiots in DC that this kind of legislation will not be tolerated. If we vote out the people that sponsored the bill maybe the rest will listen.
Goddamn I hate these sorts of titles. They actually cause more damage then that of the shelving itself.
Especially since more then a few will just read the title in between “Jersey Shore” episodes.
And then the s**t passes later to the tune of “Durrrrr...”
Dodd, Smith, & the rest seriously need to be booted. Even with that, the unlimited campaign donation crap passed by our wonderful supreme court of losers means this will be a very real risk for a very long time.
Sadly enough it is virtually impossible to kill anything once and for all. Even the worst bills can be re-named to something like "Save our little Kitties from brutal decapitation" or something equally irrelevant and innocuous. The only solution is constant vigilance and never taking anything at face value.
zbeastJan 20, 2012Buried
Shelved =/= gone, it will be back under another name..
The Bill to Help homeless nuns and orphans.
The government has better things to be doing.
Why are they trying to poo this type of crap out.
emfkJan 20, 2012Buried
"Shelved" is not the same thing as "dead". We need these bills killed once and for all.
njdoo7Jan 21, 2012Buried
I agree. Similar legislation is surely to pass with a different name, likely accompanied by the fancy word compromise.
-------
What I don't get is, does it matter if congress passes such a bill?
We just saw megaupload get seized.
Last year, we saw a carpet seizure and shutdown of every site on certain blog hosts.
The so called justice department has already asserted the power to shut down websites and arrest webmasters, whose users happen to upload copyrighted material.
The precedent seems to have already been set.
-------
On another note, I find it interesting that some of the primary sources used for copyright violations came from MPAA estimates.
We all know how upstanding and honest the MPAA is...not.
We all know how accurate past claims have been, or inaccurate and grossly over "estimated."
An odd coincidence with these seized and shutdown sites is that they just happen to be platforms making the old media industry irrelevant.
mitsanagaJan 20, 2012Buried
i agree with you zbeast, they already did it once with COICA, now again with sopa and pipa. maybe its time the american people got together and made it impossible to re-enact these types of bills by submitting their own through a favourable congressman or woman. i dont know any myself, but at least try to do something about this thing rebounding. honestly, all capable countries citizens should try to do the same with their own government so as to keep any sort of censorship from appearing.
zenandbulletsJan 20, 2012Buried
Very true. We can't slack off now. The opposition against these bills must continue.
melthornalJan 21, 2012Buried
Congress never proved there was an actual problem in the first place. They never bothered to. They kept saying 'everyone knows this is a huge problem!' 'it is costing millions of jobs!' 'every year American businesses lose billions of dollars!' But they proved nothing. They conducted no research. They performed no study. They present no evidence. They state truisms and then try to say that is a good enough reason to pass legislation.
The responsible thing to do is this:
A: Conduct the proper research and studies to gather as much information as possible.
B: Use the collected data to determine whether or not there is a problem.
C: If there is a problem, can is be solved through legislative means without fundamentally changing the way the internet works?
D: Call in f**ktons (metric) of experts.
THEN
E: Write a bill.
HappyNuggetsJan 20, 2012Buried
Best news I have read the whole day!
I hope we still keep an eye out for anything suspicious, they might return in an ugly disguise, sooner rather than later.
Kudos to Reddit and other big companies who made it possible to win freedom without losing it.
realbillmitchellJan 21, 2012Buried
This reeks of Safe PORT Act 2006. The bill that ended up banning Internet gaming (ie: playing online poker for money). The Internet gaming bill at one time was its own piece of legislation and just like SOPA and PIPA faced huge criticism by many different lobby groups fighting to keep the Internet open.
Once the original bill was defeated, the Internet gaming billed magically got tacked on to the back side of Safe PORT Act which received unanimous support (what bill that was designed to protect the United States back in 2006 didn't receive such support?), and when Safe PORT got passed finally it protected ports (although I am sure that point can be debated) and took away online poker (at least for cash).
The same thing will happen with either SOPA, PIPA and ACTA or any combination of the three. None of these bills are "dead" they are just taking a little siesta until no one is looking and viola will end up being law piggy back off some innocuous piece of legislation.
Graf_OrlockJan 20, 2012Buried
The surest way is to vote out anyone corrupt enough to have supported it to begin with.
salbatrossJan 20, 2012Buried
Shelved is still a win though. Maybe now Congress can work on fixing the country!
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Like that'll ever happen.
bdbrJan 20, 2012Buried
It's amazing the extent to which we have to watch the representatives that WE elect, just to ensure they're not doing something to screw the people who voted for them.
PatriceBeaulieu12Jan 21, 2012Buried
I like your way of thinking melthornal. I for one want to see concrete proof that the allegations congress are making are true.
ophelloJan 20, 2012Buried
We need to remain vigilant.
barfomaticJan 21, 2012Buried
Now that they're shelved we have to make it clear to the idiots in DC that this kind of legislation will not be tolerated. If we vote out the people that sponsored the bill maybe the rest will listen.
scabnabbitJan 21, 2012Buried
Goddamn I hate these sorts of titles. They actually cause more damage then that of the shelving itself.
Especially since more then a few will just read the title in between “Jersey Shore” episodes.
And then the s**t passes later to the tune of “Durrrrr...”
Dodd, Smith, & the rest seriously need to be booted. Even with that, the unlimited campaign donation crap passed by our wonderful supreme court of losers means this will be a very real risk for a very long time.
Graf_OrlockJan 21, 2012Buried
Former Senator Dodd offers unlimited SuperPAC cash to another congressman, and it's off to the races again.
melthornalJan 21, 2012Buried
Usually a shelved bill dies. They write a new bill, with a new name, with a different approach and try again.
brucealmightyJan 21, 2012Buried
Sadly enough it is virtually impossible to kill anything once and for all. Even the worst bills can be re-named to something like "Save our little Kitties from brutal decapitation" or something equally irrelevant and innocuous. The only solution is constant vigilance and never taking anything at face value.
tylorlilesJan 20, 2012Buried
we are soo close..
just curious what happens to a shelved bill if the bills sponsor loses his next election? can anyone answer that please?
travelsonicJan 21, 2012Buried
No it's not, you made a claim, I'm asking for proof - which is nothing like disputing a factual statement like in your hypothetical statement.