Ooh ouch. That was quite an attack. Of course you didn't address the fact that Joe did in fact do nothing about a little boy being raped in his locker room. You just went on a personal tirade against people who point out part of Joe's legacy. Sure he was a winning coach. He did a lot of good for a lot of people. He also didn't do anything about child rape. That is part of his legacy too. You can't run from it. You can't hide from it. You can't insult it away. I'm not the one that didn't do anything about it. Joe was. Why don't you go be mad at Joe for tarnishing the legacy that you seem to so dearly love.
He did nothing. Going to the administration is not good enough. You know that. In all other cases, were it not involving Penn St., you would agree. So at your work if you witness a woman being raped in an office what is your response? Do you go tell your supervisor and leave it at that? Do you think that is enough of a response?
EVERYONE knows what they are to do when they are told about a crime so vile as raping a child. EVERYONE.
The Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner said Joe fulfilled his legal responsibility in his actions. Great. He covered his ass (which around the Penn St. locker room seems like a prudent action) but he only did that, covered his ass.
If you are that 10 year old boy, are you happy that Joe fulfilled his legal requirement? How about the one that got raped after Joe found out about the rape but failed to alert police? Should he be happy?
This is not to say that the rest of the Penn St. administration should be off the hook either. They all should be done with major college sports. I'm a big fan of giving Penn St. the death penalty. This is an institution that is clearly lacking institutional control over their program.
Ohio St. nearly got wiped out because players got free tattoos. Penn St. has nothing happen and they did nothing about a child being raped in their locker room.
We're not talking about shoplifting or smoking weed here. We're talking about rape.
He should have done more. Period.
Everyone goes on and on about doing the right thing, but at the end of the day 99% of people do what's right for them. And Joe, despite being successful, popular, cute and old, he is one of those people. It's that simple.
That doesn't explain why people like you so adamantly defend these types though, quite frankly it's idiotic.
He was a f**king sports coach, get a grip. How s**tty is your life that you have to live vicariously through a geriatric? It would be funny but you probably can vote.
He should have immediately dialed the police and made sure the incident was investigated. There is such a thing as personal responsibility, even in college sports.
I don't know (or care) about this guy's coaching ability, but this incident shows a monumental lack of judgement. One does not report serious crimes to college administrators and not ensure himself it was handled appropriately.
I hate to see one instance of poor judgement dominate someone's legacy, but I'm more concerned about the kids who were molested as a result of his inaction.
Well i was gonna let you go, but you let him off the hook with a 'he reported it to his superiors' This is absolutely NO DEFENSE and is the moral equivalent of complicity one he realized nothing was being done about it. Every citizen is morally bound to report this kind of behavior to the PROPER authorities, those sworn to uphold the law. It has f**k all to do with his job.
He had informed credible knowledge of an extremely heinous crime perpetrated in his facilities. He had an obligation to tell THE POLICE, not his f**kin cronies. They are not the 'authorities' in these matters, and we need to make sure that message gets spread far and wide to those in positions of power that they are not above the law.
I'm not sure what more he could have done. It's like they always tell little kids: if someone tries to touch you, immediately alert the nearest athletic director.
More? You mean more than being told by an assistant that he witnessed a child being raped? You need more evidence than that? Wow. You Joe protectors really are blind. If that were your kid that was raped in the Penn St. locker room, would you be ok with Joe's response or maybe you'd just be happy if Joe gave you tickets to the next home game to shut you up.
I don't hardly know anything about Joe. I know he was very successful and loved by his peers / players. It's just too bad he didn't do more about this Sandusky situation.
I don't mean to be unfair, but really. He worked with this guy. I imagine he saw him quite often. You hear about a coach having sex with a child in the shower. You go to the police, like you are supposed to. But the next day, that guy is at work. And the next week, and the next month. You just accept that? What the f**k? Honestly... what the f**k?
Obviously someone else didn't do their job. That doesn't absolve you of responsibility to do the right thing.
It's not like he didn't know the guy. He had to have seen him over and over again after he went to officials.
By letting it continue to happen he condoned it. By not stopping it, he condoned it. By turning a blind eye and putting the institution above legal and moral obligations, he condoned it.
Or is ass raping a child acceptable when your team is having a winning season?
After hearing from McQueary, Paterno alerted athletic director Tim Curley. Yet instead of relaying what McQueary claims to have told him, Paterno conveyed a milder and vaguer description. Specifically, Paterno testified under oath that McQueary had said that Sandusky was engaged in fondling or "doing something of a sexual nature" to a boy.
Paterno may have nonetheless violated the Child Protective Services Law by failing to tell Curley the specific story as told by McQueary and by failing to provide known information about the nature and extent of the suspected abuse. As discussed above, if McQueary's testimony is true, Paterno appeared to downplay the severity of the incident while speaking with Curley. His portrayal seemed incomplete, if not outright disingenuous. Also, while Paterno made his initial report of the suspected child abuse to Curley by phone, any written communications would have required the known information.
ShovelbabyJan 22, 2012Buried
It is sad that after such a long distinguished career, he will most be remembered for the Sandusky scandal.
crashdvisJan 22, 2012Buried
Ooh ouch. That was quite an attack. Of course you didn't address the fact that Joe did in fact do nothing about a little boy being raped in his locker room. You just went on a personal tirade against people who point out part of Joe's legacy. Sure he was a winning coach. He did a lot of good for a lot of people. He also didn't do anything about child rape. That is part of his legacy too. You can't run from it. You can't hide from it. You can't insult it away. I'm not the one that didn't do anything about it. Joe was. Why don't you go be mad at Joe for tarnishing the legacy that you seem to so dearly love.
crashdvisJan 22, 2012Buried
The winningest coach in NCAA history who also didn't mind that children were being raped in his locker room.
crashdvisJan 22, 2012Buried
He did nothing. Going to the administration is not good enough. You know that. In all other cases, were it not involving Penn St., you would agree. So at your work if you witness a woman being raped in an office what is your response? Do you go tell your supervisor and leave it at that? Do you think that is enough of a response?
EVERYONE knows what they are to do when they are told about a crime so vile as raping a child. EVERYONE.
The Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner said Joe fulfilled his legal responsibility in his actions. Great. He covered his ass (which around the Penn St. locker room seems like a prudent action) but he only did that, covered his ass.
If you are that 10 year old boy, are you happy that Joe fulfilled his legal requirement? How about the one that got raped after Joe found out about the rape but failed to alert police? Should he be happy?
This is not to say that the rest of the Penn St. administration should be off the hook either. They all should be done with major college sports. I'm a big fan of giving Penn St. the death penalty. This is an institution that is clearly lacking institutional control over their program.
Ohio St. nearly got wiped out because players got free tattoos. Penn St. has nothing happen and they did nothing about a child being raped in their locker room.
luke1h7Jan 22, 2012Buried
We're not talking about shoplifting or smoking weed here. We're talking about rape.
He should have done more. Period.
Everyone goes on and on about doing the right thing, but at the end of the day 99% of people do what's right for them. And Joe, despite being successful, popular, cute and old, he is one of those people. It's that simple.
That doesn't explain why people like you so adamantly defend these types though, quite frankly it's idiotic.
He was a f**king sports coach, get a grip. How s**tty is your life that you have to live vicariously through a geriatric? It would be funny but you probably can vote.
particleman420Jan 22, 2012Buried
actually what he said was true. accept it.
craig1958Jan 22, 2012Buried
He should have immediately dialed the police and made sure the incident was investigated. There is such a thing as personal responsibility, even in college sports.
I don't know (or care) about this guy's coaching ability, but this incident shows a monumental lack of judgement. One does not report serious crimes to college administrators and not ensure himself it was handled appropriately.
I hate to see one instance of poor judgement dominate someone's legacy, but I'm more concerned about the kids who were molested as a result of his inaction.
particleman420Jan 22, 2012Buried
but hey, he was a football coach, he's allowed to let children get raped as long as the team wins, football is big business!!
casspaJan 22, 2012Buried
Without a doubt he leaves one of the most impressionable legacies on college football of any man ever to be involved in the game.
crashdvisJan 22, 2012Buried
Wow. He was a good coach. Leave it at that.
spire3660Jan 22, 2012Buried
Well i was gonna let you go, but you let him off the hook with a 'he reported it to his superiors' This is absolutely NO DEFENSE and is the moral equivalent of complicity one he realized nothing was being done about it. Every citizen is morally bound to report this kind of behavior to the PROPER authorities, those sworn to uphold the law. It has f**k all to do with his job.
He had informed credible knowledge of an extremely heinous crime perpetrated in his facilities. He had an obligation to tell THE POLICE, not his f**kin cronies. They are not the 'authorities' in these matters, and we need to make sure that message gets spread far and wide to those in positions of power that they are not above the law.
davidnivenJan 22, 2012Buried
A legacy of covering up child abuse, second only to that of the Roman Catholic church?
Angry_MuppetJan 22, 2012Buried
I'll join the ranks of those who find child molesters and those that condone their activity objectionable also.
somedummyJan 22, 2012Buried
I'm not sure what more he could have done. It's like they always tell little kids: if someone tries to touch you, immediately alert the nearest athletic director.
Angry_MuppetJan 22, 2012Buried
Yes, let's embrace those who condone criminal and morally decadent activity.
The Catholic Church is running a big PR campaign welcome people like you back to the fold.
crashdvisJan 22, 2012Buried
More? You mean more than being told by an assistant that he witnessed a child being raped? You need more evidence than that? Wow. You Joe protectors really are blind. If that were your kid that was raped in the Penn St. locker room, would you be ok with Joe's response or maybe you'd just be happy if Joe gave you tickets to the next home game to shut you up.
luke1h7Jan 22, 2012Buried
I don't hardly know anything about Joe. I know he was very successful and loved by his peers / players. It's just too bad he didn't do more about this Sandusky situation.
I don't mean to be unfair, but really. He worked with this guy. I imagine he saw him quite often. You hear about a coach having sex with a child in the shower. You go to the police, like you are supposed to. But the next day, that guy is at work. And the next week, and the next month. You just accept that? What the f**k? Honestly... what the f**k?
Obviously someone else didn't do their job. That doesn't absolve you of responsibility to do the right thing.
It's not like he didn't know the guy. He had to have seen him over and over again after he went to officials.
Angry_MuppetJan 22, 2012Buried
Are you really that stupid?
By letting it continue to happen he condoned it. By not stopping it, he condoned it. By turning a blind eye and putting the institution above legal and moral obligations, he condoned it.
Or is ass raping a child acceptable when your team is having a winning season?
eraptorJan 22, 2012Buried
I wouldn't go that far, but the sex scandal will be a major blemish on Paterno's career for years to come.
May he rest in peace.
Angry_MuppetJan 22, 2012Buried
After hearing from McQueary, Paterno alerted athletic director Tim Curley. Yet instead of relaying what McQueary claims to have told him, Paterno conveyed a milder and vaguer description. Specifically, Paterno testified under oath that McQueary had said that Sandusky was engaged in fondling or "doing something of a sexual nature" to a boy.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html#ixzz1kCzk9O42
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Paterno may have nonetheless violated the Child Protective Services Law by failing to tell Curley the specific story as told by McQueary and by failing to provide known information about the nature and extent of the suspected abuse. As discussed above, if McQueary's testimony is true, Paterno appeared to downplay the severity of the incident while speaking with Curley. His portrayal seemed incomplete, if not outright disingenuous. Also, while Paterno made his initial report of the suspected child abuse to Curley by phone, any written communications would have required the known information.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html#ixzz1kD03sBez
Should we continue?