"...our economy remains deeply depressed...fewer workers employed than in January 2001 — zero growth after 11 years...even at January’s pace of job creation it would take us until 2019 to return to full employment."
The unemployment numbers aren't real. They don't count people who have stopped looking for work etc. If you take an honest look at the numbers they don't add up. Things are bad and they're not going to change for awhile. As for forgiving student debt I believe something needs to change. Starting your working life with a huge debt to pay is awful. I say mabye someone needs to look at the huge amounts of money those in the world of higher education make.
While I understand where you are coming from, I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion because you are not even touching on the single reason I would hire people - Demand. I own businesses in 3 countries, and it doesn't matter whether you let me keep 100% of my EBIT, if I have no more demand for what we're selling, then I have no reason to hire anyone!
The economy is so consumer driven and so dependent upon "Consumer Confidence"; I simply find it exasperating that everyone misses this in their arguments here. If there is no more Demand for products and services, then there is no hiring.
The revenue sports (football and basketball, primarily) are just that: they bring revenue to the university. Do you know why they have a big-ass stadium and coaches paid millions of dollars? It's not because the university loves sports. It's because the university loves money. They bring in far more money than they cost. Not just in ticket sales, but in promoting the university and encouraging donations.
Don't like tuition rates? You definitely wouldn't like them if sports were eliminated.
Notice how the "job creators" line has disappeared from the rhetoric of the Right. It was debunked quickly and easily, and shown to be the lie that it was. That doesn't mean that the jobs issue needs to go away. You won't hear your Congressman pushing for jobs though, and that's why there needs to be one goal above even 'job creation'; it's "Unelect Congress in 2012". Time to elect people who will actually do something.
If ONLY Obama was a progressive...because he's NOT, he's a Goddamn centrist.
See, many of us on the left are a bit miffed at the man and, as evidenced by his very public scolding of progressive liberals, the feeling's mutual.
I know this ruins your whole world view, but I don't really give a f**k about your small mind and big mouth that ENDLESSLY spews this nonsense.
I'm tired of hearing the demonstrably false "facts" of idiots like yourself who are either too lazy and/or partisan to fact check their bulls**t talking points.
What's so special about young university graduates that they deserve to be handed free money? If we're handing out free money, there are a lot of people who deserve it more than people who are young, healthy, energetic and have a lifetime of income ahead of them.
And usury terms? As far as I know, student loans have some of the lowest interest rates.
Sorry, dude, but you're not getting out from under your loans.
I paid mine off and future generations are going to have to pay theirs off; you don't get to benefit from a one time pass of being lucky enough to have outstanding student loans.
As if students need even more incentive not to find a real job.
And thanks for making the whole of GenX look like the pathetic, whinny losers we know they are.
BTW - Wall Street paid it's loans BACK.
/just young enough to miss out on being a gen x loser.
Sure. One of the biggest things I think we learn from sports, IMO, is teamwork. There's also leadership, selflessness, humility, competitiveness, physical fitness, etc...
Here's a couple of more things:
"The great value of sport is that it teaches us to recognize the difference between winning and striving for excellence, the better but much harder achievement. More important, sports teaches us how to handle failure, to get up and try again when we lose. That's the most valuable lesson, since we lose more than we win in life."
"We believe that sports are important because of the values that can be learned,
including good sportsmanship, believing in others and learning that others can help us
achieve more by being united than by acting on our own self-interest."
I'm sorry. Repeating that something is debunked over and over again doesn't make it true.
"Notice how the "grass is green" line has disappeared from the rhetoric of the sane. It was debunked quickly and easily, and shown to be the lie that it was".
Please swallow that bulls**t and stop spewing it out.
I also paid off my student debt (all my income went to paying off the debt before buying cool and expensive toys), so no, we're asking if you're going to reimburse us for being responsible. Some other jackass went off and bought a corvette right out of school but still has student loans gets a free ride from the government? I also picked a major where I knew I could get a job. Where I know there were 10 other people who got degrees in business or underwater basket-weaving and were surprised when they were managing at Staples or were unemployed.
Those who make smart decisions should be rewarded, not those who make dumb decisions. So either you need to come up with a better system, or forgiving loans is the worse possible thing you could do.
I'd rather we invest in our students than Bain Capital, the banks, oil and gas companies, defense contractors, etc...but competing on a global scale with all the other countries pumping their citizens money into special interest groups, I guess it will probably never stop...but again, I'd rather invest in education than industry elites any day of the week.
The trouble with debt forgiveness is that the education inflation ball keeps rolling. People have to wake up and find alternatives to the high school costs we currently have. It's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac giving guaranteed housing loans. It just causes inflation and in the end, hurts everyone. We've got to stop guaranteeing these loans. If loans are hard to get, alternatives will be found.
@mbraynard, eternalsnows, Yes, while tarp loans were paid back, at least they say they were(GM and Chrysler said there's were too, but didn't we still loose money, why yes we did).
What about the 13 Trillion, yes that's with a T, the FED loaned banks around the world, have those been paid back? Why lets file a FOIA request and 20 years from now we might just find out. Oh what, we have to sue them to find out? Just great!
Most on wall street were forced to take the loans, they didn't need the money anyway, guess what, they got free use of billions of dollars to make EVEN money off of, weeeeeeee.
And we can't even get a Thank You from the bastards. Oh, i forgot, their "doing God's work". *Quote from: Lloyd Blankfein
I am not for, forgiving student loans or loans of any type, but they could frickin help in some way.
We need to remove sports entertainment from academic schools and create sports schools for them to train and play for.
Academic schools need to provide only academics without the distraction of sports for everyone concerned.
nygenxerFeb 6, 2012Buried
"...our economy remains deeply depressed...fewer workers employed than in January 2001 — zero growth after 11 years...even at January’s pace of job creation it would take us until 2019 to return to full employment."
Translation: ANOTHER LOST DECADE.
miklkitFeb 6, 2012Buried
This is why it is called the Great Recession. It is not over yet.
readmikenowFeb 6, 2012Buried
The unemployment numbers aren't real. They don't count people who have stopped looking for work etc. If you take an honest look at the numbers they don't add up. Things are bad and they're not going to change for awhile. As for forgiving student debt I believe something needs to change. Starting your working life with a huge debt to pay is awful. I say mabye someone needs to look at the huge amounts of money those in the world of higher education make.
asfinktersezwutFeb 6, 2012Buried
While I understand where you are coming from, I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion because you are not even touching on the single reason I would hire people - Demand. I own businesses in 3 countries, and it doesn't matter whether you let me keep 100% of my EBIT, if I have no more demand for what we're selling, then I have no reason to hire anyone!
The economy is so consumer driven and so dependent upon "Consumer Confidence"; I simply find it exasperating that everyone misses this in their arguments here. If there is no more Demand for products and services, then there is no hiring.
nairebisFeb 6, 2012Buried
The revenue sports (football and basketball, primarily) are just that: they bring revenue to the university. Do you know why they have a big-ass stadium and coaches paid millions of dollars? It's not because the university loves sports. It's because the university loves money. They bring in far more money than they cost. Not just in ticket sales, but in promoting the university and encouraging donations.
Don't like tuition rates? You definitely wouldn't like them if sports were eliminated.
dsmeek36Feb 6, 2012Buried
Notice how the "job creators" line has disappeared from the rhetoric of the Right. It was debunked quickly and easily, and shown to be the lie that it was. That doesn't mean that the jobs issue needs to go away. You won't hear your Congressman pushing for jobs though, and that's why there needs to be one goal above even 'job creation'; it's "Unelect Congress in 2012". Time to elect people who will actually do something.
ridgerunner5Feb 6, 2012Buried
I'm interested to hear what you think they bring to the table...
nygenxerFeb 7, 2012Buried
If ONLY Obama was a progressive...because he's NOT, he's a Goddamn centrist.
See, many of us on the left are a bit miffed at the man and, as evidenced by his very public scolding of progressive liberals, the feeling's mutual.
I know this ruins your whole world view, but I don't really give a f**k about your small mind and big mouth that ENDLESSLY spews this nonsense.
I'm tired of hearing the demonstrably false "facts" of idiots like yourself who are either too lazy and/or partisan to fact check their bulls**t talking points.
bdbrFeb 6, 2012Buried
Personal financial responsibility doesn't benefit the bankers and politicians. Don't expect to ever be rewarded for it.
bluto36Feb 6, 2012Buried
do i get interest on the loan i paid back?
it is only fair that the 1% pay me more for the money i paid back right?
i mean why should i be the only one paying my loan off like i was supposed to?
why should i be the only one that has to stick to the deal i made?
those evil 1% bankers owe me for paying off my loans.
how dare they make me pay off my debts.
i am so mad over this i could just poop in the streets....
now i get it i am finally an occupooper
nairebisFeb 6, 2012Buried
What's so special about young university graduates that they deserve to be handed free money? If we're handing out free money, there are a lot of people who deserve it more than people who are young, healthy, energetic and have a lifetime of income ahead of them.
And usury terms? As far as I know, student loans have some of the lowest interest rates.
mbraynardFeb 6, 2012Buried
Sorry, dude, but you're not getting out from under your loans.
I paid mine off and future generations are going to have to pay theirs off; you don't get to benefit from a one time pass of being lucky enough to have outstanding student loans.
As if students need even more incentive not to find a real job.
And thanks for making the whole of GenX look like the pathetic, whinny losers we know they are.
BTW - Wall Street paid it's loans BACK.
/just young enough to miss out on being a gen x loser.
bobcat7407Feb 6, 2012Buried
Sure. One of the biggest things I think we learn from sports, IMO, is teamwork. There's also leadership, selflessness, humility, competitiveness, physical fitness, etc...
Here's a couple of more things:
"The great value of sport is that it teaches us to recognize the difference between winning and striving for excellence, the better but much harder achievement. More important, sports teaches us how to handle failure, to get up and try again when we lose. That's the most valuable lesson, since we lose more than we win in life."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/29/opinion/schieffer/main658082.shtml
"We believe that sports are important because of the values that can be learned,
including good sportsmanship, believing in others and learning that others can help us
achieve more by being united than by acting on our own self-interest."
http://administration.adelphi.edu/president/pdfs/values_of_sports.pdf
Clearly sports are not the only way to learn these things, but they are as good or better than any other way I've ever heard of.
ultimisFeb 6, 2012Buried
I'm sorry. Repeating that something is debunked over and over again doesn't make it true.
"Notice how the "grass is green" line has disappeared from the rhetoric of the sane. It was debunked quickly and easily, and shown to be the lie that it was".
Please swallow that bulls**t and stop spewing it out.
dauntless1Feb 6, 2012Buried
I agree that we need to look at the fact that the highest paid people in "higher education" are people who add nothing to education whatsoever.
Which would be the coaches and athletic administration.
ultimisFeb 6, 2012Buried
I also paid off my student debt (all my income went to paying off the debt before buying cool and expensive toys), so no, we're asking if you're going to reimburse us for being responsible. Some other jackass went off and bought a corvette right out of school but still has student loans gets a free ride from the government? I also picked a major where I knew I could get a job. Where I know there were 10 other people who got degrees in business or underwater basket-weaving and were surprised when they were managing at Staples or were unemployed.
Those who make smart decisions should be rewarded, not those who make dumb decisions. So either you need to come up with a better system, or forgiving loans is the worse possible thing you could do.
spatula7Feb 6, 2012Buried
I'd rather we invest in our students than Bain Capital, the banks, oil and gas companies, defense contractors, etc...but competing on a global scale with all the other countries pumping their citizens money into special interest groups, I guess it will probably never stop...but again, I'd rather invest in education than industry elites any day of the week.
yurmutha412Feb 6, 2012Buried
The trouble with debt forgiveness is that the education inflation ball keeps rolling. People have to wake up and find alternatives to the high school costs we currently have. It's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac giving guaranteed housing loans. It just causes inflation and in the end, hurts everyone. We've got to stop guaranteeing these loans. If loans are hard to get, alternatives will be found.
FrankLuskaFeb 7, 2012Buried
@mbraynard, eternalsnows, Yes, while tarp loans were paid back, at least they say they were(GM and Chrysler said there's were too, but didn't we still loose money, why yes we did).
What about the 13 Trillion, yes that's with a T, the FED loaned banks around the world, have those been paid back? Why lets file a FOIA request and 20 years from now we might just find out. Oh what, we have to sue them to find out? Just great!
Most on wall street were forced to take the loans, they didn't need the money anyway, guess what, they got free use of billions of dollars to make EVEN money off of, weeeeeeee.
And we can't even get a Thank You from the bastards. Oh, i forgot, their "doing God's work". *Quote from: Lloyd Blankfein
I am not for, forgiving student loans or loans of any type, but they could frickin help in some way.
You guys need to look at the entire picture.
partrowFeb 6, 2012Buried
We need to remove sports entertainment from academic schools and create sports schools for them to train and play for.
Academic schools need to provide only academics without the distraction of sports for everyone concerned.