When you give Catholics power - they will wield that power over you.
There, fixed that sound bite for you, Santorum.
FTA: Finney (4:45): "If I'm a Jewish woman and I work at a Catholic institution, is it right for my employer - and I don't think of it as a business, but as an entity that gets a special tax status from the government - does that entity have the right to tell me I can't have access (to contraception?)."
97% of Catholic women use contraceptives- that's okay. Catholic University already has insurance with contraceptives - that's okay. 28 states already have this requirement - that's okay. The church is against the death penalty, but states still use it - that's okay.
But - heaven forbid that non-Catholic women- and 97% of the Catholic women - get contraceptives so they can have a healthy life and wanted children.
Well this is all a non-issue now. Obama has came up with a good and fair compromise: Insurance companies just reach out to women directly and bypass the religious bulls**t. Then it's between a woman, her doctor, her insurance company, and her god. No need to bring clergy into the equation.
Goddamn that sounds good, doesn't it? You Repukes oughta be going for this one, right? Insurance companies like it, women like it, what is there to not like?
Oh man, the logic destroys me. You're right, we should trample and ignore the rights of the few and only support the rights of our chosen religion.
I was just posing an example of a situation that the same mindset can apply to with a different result.
The argument seems to be that employers feel that providing insurance that covers contraception is forcing them to fund services that they feel are against their religion.
Here's another example. I am creating a religion that feels that medical care is immoral. Now what?
The whole argument is just an attempt to create a wedge for team red, but the miscalculation is that Americans generally feel contraception is bad.
Yes, birth control must be used against their religious freedom, and they're not up in arms about jehovah's witnesses having to cover blood tests. Religious freedom, as long as its my religion eh?
I don't even think any of these pro-life religious nuts even care about saving lives. They've got a secret agenda to control half of the human population by pushing their nut job beliefs on everybody.
That's what makes this so pathetic. It is as though a human life is no longer valuable once they are born. They protect fetuses before they're born but once they come out, they don't give a damn anymore.
"not to........provide Plan B as easily as they provide Viagra."
Of course, many religions use childbirth as a way to "bolster the numbers", especially smaller sects. Availability of contraception would slow their growth.
The problem is when this very same religion goes out and tries to dictate national/state policy by telling LIES and BULLs**t to people. Then we don't have any choice but to tell them to f**k off . . , and to stop buggering altar boys as well, perhaps.
"she'd understand that Church is not telling her she cannot have access to contraception"
Yes, the church is most certainly dictating their religious morals. Our tax money goes to the "entity" she was talking about. So, the church takes OUR tax money and turns around and dictates what "morals" this Jewish woman should have.
Institutions being able to take our money and then use that money to dictate their religious morals is a precedent that we most certainly do NOT want to set.
Unless you are are comfortable with Muslims taking your tax money and using that money to enforce their interpretation of Sharia laws in their health care offerings.
well you already provide it, through paying any insurance premiums and taxes.
the insurance companies that offer the service throw your payments into one big account and pay out of it to cover everything any of their clients need. Regardless if it's birth control, blood tests, or an enema
And your tax dollars go towards paying for federal health plans that already cover birth control..
so are you going to get an exemption on paying your taxes? Are the congressmen and senators going to drop their government health care plans? Nope, because the real issue was the church opposing easier access to birth control
"I am creating a religion that feels that medical care is immoral."
You don't have to, there are already quite a few of those. There's been multiple news stories in the last decade where parents have allowed their children to die despite viable medical treatments because they believed "the power of god" would save their children.
Then don't join the religion. It's not that hard to get. I don't like religion and I'm an atheist. I don't run around telling them how to run their religions. There is religious freedom in this country. That includes me the atheist and all other religions.
geejayeFeb 11, 2012Buried
When you give Catholics power - they will wield that power over you.
There, fixed that sound bite for you, Santorum.
FTA: Finney (4:45): "If I'm a Jewish woman and I work at a Catholic institution, is it right for my employer - and I don't think of it as a business, but as an entity that gets a special tax status from the government - does that entity have the right to tell me I can't have access (to contraception?)."
97% of Catholic women use contraceptives- that's okay. Catholic University already has insurance with contraceptives - that's okay. 28 states already have this requirement - that's okay. The church is against the death penalty, but states still use it - that's okay.
But - heaven forbid that non-Catholic women- and 97% of the Catholic women - get contraceptives so they can have a healthy life and wanted children.
This is, Indeed, a Religious war on women
bluenose2Feb 11, 2012Buried
That is the whole point of religion. Suppression and control.
mlw4428Feb 12, 2012Buried
Well this is all a non-issue now. Obama has came up with a good and fair compromise: Insurance companies just reach out to women directly and bypass the religious bulls**t. Then it's between a woman, her doctor, her insurance company, and her god. No need to bring clergy into the equation.
Goddamn that sounds good, doesn't it? You Repukes oughta be going for this one, right? Insurance companies like it, women like it, what is there to not like?
benjie25Feb 12, 2012Buried
Contraceptives reduce taxes by reducing children born in poverty.
phpistastyFeb 12, 2012Buried
Oh man, the logic destroys me. You're right, we should trample and ignore the rights of the few and only support the rights of our chosen religion.
I was just posing an example of a situation that the same mindset can apply to with a different result.
The argument seems to be that employers feel that providing insurance that covers contraception is forcing them to fund services that they feel are against their religion.
Here's another example. I am creating a religion that feels that medical care is immoral. Now what?
The whole argument is just an attempt to create a wedge for team red, but the miscalculation is that Americans generally feel contraception is bad.
phpistastyFeb 12, 2012Buried
Yes, birth control must be used against their religious freedom, and they're not up in arms about jehovah's witnesses having to cover blood tests. Religious freedom, as long as its my religion eh?
laurahoustonFeb 11, 2012Buried
looks like most religions go hard on their woman and children.
I don't think they will ever trust their woman again to have the personal choice of eating the forbidden fruit.
anomaly100Feb 11, 2012Buried
Go to war with women and we can go total Lysistrata on the men.
deomo899Feb 12, 2012Buried
I don't even think any of these pro-life religious nuts even care about saving lives. They've got a secret agenda to control half of the human population by pushing their nut job beliefs on everybody.
deomo899Feb 12, 2012Buried
That's what makes this so pathetic. It is as though a human life is no longer valuable once they are born. They protect fetuses before they're born but once they come out, they don't give a damn anymore.
deomo899Feb 12, 2012Buried
That means less tax paying dollars on social programs and less money being spent on potential future prisoners.
ano233Feb 12, 2012Buried
"not to........provide Plan B as easily as they provide Viagra."
Of course, many religions use childbirth as a way to "bolster the numbers", especially smaller sects. Availability of contraception would slow their growth.
TheMightyZordonFeb 12, 2012Buried
The problem is when this very same religion goes out and tries to dictate national/state policy by telling LIES and BULLs**t to people. Then we don't have any choice but to tell them to f**k off . . , and to stop buggering altar boys as well, perhaps.
geejayeFeb 12, 2012Buried
"she'd understand that Church is not telling her she cannot have access to contraception"
Yes, the church is most certainly dictating their religious morals. Our tax money goes to the "entity" she was talking about. So, the church takes OUR tax money and turns around and dictates what "morals" this Jewish woman should have.
Institutions being able to take our money and then use that money to dictate their religious morals is a precedent that we most certainly do NOT want to set.
Unless you are are comfortable with Muslims taking your tax money and using that money to enforce their interpretation of Sharia laws in their health care offerings.
mortventFeb 12, 2012Buried
well you already provide it, through paying any insurance premiums and taxes.
the insurance companies that offer the service throw your payments into one big account and pay out of it to cover everything any of their clients need. Regardless if it's birth control, blood tests, or an enema
And your tax dollars go towards paying for federal health plans that already cover birth control..
so are you going to get an exemption on paying your taxes? Are the congressmen and senators going to drop their government health care plans? Nope, because the real issue was the church opposing easier access to birth control
mortventFeb 12, 2012Buried
well the only way you can avoid paying for birth control, is to stop paying taxes... or have any health insurance yourself.
both result in money going towards birth control.
In state/federal plans that include it, and because insurance companies include all payments in one pot to pay out of
mortventFeb 12, 2012Buried
it was never about paying, it was about easier access to birth control
ano233Feb 12, 2012Buried
"I am creating a religion that feels that medical care is immoral."
You don't have to, there are already quite a few of those. There's been multiple news stories in the last decade where parents have allowed their children to die despite viable medical treatments because they believed "the power of god" would save their children.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877352,00.html
salbatrossFeb 12, 2012Buried
The fundamentalist* war on women
crashdvisFeb 12, 2012Buried
Then don't join the religion. It's not that hard to get. I don't like religion and I'm an atheist. I don't run around telling them how to run their religions. There is religious freedom in this country. That includes me the atheist and all other religions.