Umm, guess he hasn't realized many games that do great do tell a story!
TES, GTA, Fallout, etc all have a story, allow the player to ignore it or discover it and run with it.
Twisted Metal isn't about a story, it's a super demolition derby game for mindless fun and destruction.
A game like Fallout is a rpg and thus had a story (a lot of minor ones too) and is a far sight different than the games he designs. But no less important or less special than a game about slapping insane weapons on cars and blowing things up.
Exactly. There's plenty of room for games with stories and without. People play games for different reasons. Sometimes I like something kind of mindless, other times I'm in the mood for something that's little more than an interactive movie.
Maybe guys like Jaffe should worry less about what other developers are doing and more about the fact that all he does is push out sequels and remakes.
This guy is stupid. Games and computer media can be whatever the developer wants it to be. Trying to restrict the medium into something that fits your own personal definition of a "game" is retarded. Open your mind.
Some games should have vivid story lines, some games should have none and some games should be in the middle. It would suck if all games were the same.
If people didn't make vivid story lines in games, we would not have Chrono Trigger.
this guy couldn't be further off base. what makes games like mass effect and bioshock so great is that they do have a unique story and aren't just a rehash of last years call of duty
Funny, last I checked TES, Deus Ex, etc.. were not sports games
the problem isn't stories in the games, it's not spending time on one part of the mix.
A game should have a good story and good gameplay, neglecting one over the other isn't a good idea in many game genres. Others all you need is the gameplay, story is an afterthought if unecessary
Unless you are making an arcade game whose only purpose is to distract you for a few minutes, a game without a story is a game that isn't worth playing. And I find it hilarious that they say Skyrim doesn't have a story.
The best game ever made is still Planescape. Why? Best story in video game history.
I think there's room for games that are completely abstract like world of goo.
I think there's also room games that essentially try to create the best and most realistic movie-like experience that they can, like Uncharted.
And everything in between
And all of the things that don't even fit in this limited axis.
Agreed, but I don't think he's stupid. He has a specific agenda and clearly, story telling is no longer part of it. His opinion will probably end up bitting him in the ass over the next decade.
YES THEY SHOULD! That's what keeps me playing the game through to the very end. I loved Dragon Age 1 and 2 because of the story. Bioware knows how to tell great stories with their games which totally draws me in and keeps me buying their games. If the story isn't good, then I will get bored & stop playing. Without a good story, video games are just boring and repetitive!
I'm a woman in the 30-45 demographic and I will only play a game WITH some sort of storyline. I know other women just like me! Some of us may be recent newcomers to the gaming world but our money is just as valuable as anyone elses'- perhaps moreso because we are less likely to try to buy our game illegally or find a way to get it for free.
So yeah- the shooter games and sports games have their fans, but keep Fallout, and Mass Effect and their ilk coming for those of us who love them.
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
Umm, guess he hasn't realized many games that do great do tell a story!
TES, GTA, Fallout, etc all have a story, allow the player to ignore it or discover it and run with it.
Twisted Metal isn't about a story, it's a super demolition derby game for mindless fun and destruction.
A game like Fallout is a rpg and thus had a story (a lot of minor ones too) and is a far sight different than the games he designs. But no less important or less special than a game about slapping insane weapons on cars and blowing things up.
rockyoumonkeysFeb 10, 2012Buried
Exactly. There's plenty of room for games with stories and without. People play games for different reasons. Sometimes I like something kind of mindless, other times I'm in the mood for something that's little more than an interactive movie.
Maybe guys like Jaffe should worry less about what other developers are doing and more about the fact that all he does is push out sequels and remakes.
ect5150Feb 10, 2012Buried
I think we can agree sometimes it helps out... others, not so much.
RPGs should probably have something at a minimal level.
Mortal Kombat? Not so much.
crimalucaFeb 10, 2012Buried
This guy is stupid. Games and computer media can be whatever the developer wants it to be. Trying to restrict the medium into something that fits your own personal definition of a "game" is retarded. Open your mind.
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
Yet he is advocating dropping stories... because gaming isn't about telling a story
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
Well you have to stop and consider, I don't play call of duty or the like.
They are too shallow to interest me.
Many different gamers out there, but a lot of people are waiting for skyrims modding community to ramp up.
And consoles, pcs, etc.. all have different markets.
It's a stupid idea to cut out stories, they drive games of certain types.
A shooter, sports, or arcade game needs no story.
A sim, rpg, or tactical game usually does best with one.
Action games do well witha good story worked into good gameplay.
If he can't develop good game play and story... he needs to say so.
kaegroFeb 10, 2012Buried
Some games should have vivid story lines, some games should have none and some games should be in the middle. It would suck if all games were the same.
If people didn't make vivid story lines in games, we would not have Chrono Trigger.
reaper527Feb 10, 2012Buried
this guy couldn't be further off base. what makes games like mass effect and bioshock so great is that they do have a unique story and aren't just a rehash of last years call of duty
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
Morrowind is still sold 10 years later, Oblivion still sells, and Skyrim is doing well.
I would say that is a good indication of story driven games that are still played.
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
What is the point?
different market share, doesn't make one wrong.
Skyrim doesn't interest me (it's more an rpg on rails), but I still load up morrowind and oblivion. As well as the various fallouts.
Each type of gamer has the games they like, some want games with a story others just want mindless shooting.
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
He was part of the team that developed god of war.
It wasn't a solo project. That is the key, many development teams have people working on the story and others working on the gameplay.
PanjeeFeb 10, 2012Buried
YES
mortventFeb 10, 2012Buried
Funny, last I checked TES, Deus Ex, etc.. were not sports games
the problem isn't stories in the games, it's not spending time on one part of the mix.
A game should have a good story and good gameplay, neglecting one over the other isn't a good idea in many game genres. Others all you need is the gameplay, story is an afterthought if unecessary
melthornalFeb 10, 2012Buried
Unless you are making an arcade game whose only purpose is to distract you for a few minutes, a game without a story is a game that isn't worth playing. And I find it hilarious that they say Skyrim doesn't have a story.
The best game ever made is still Planescape. Why? Best story in video game history.
NothingSpecialGamesFeb 10, 2012Buried
I guess atmosphere is more important. A story can help to create a dense atmosphere (see Deus Ex, Thief), but it is not the only mean.
willxhuntFeb 10, 2012Buried
and if they aren't going to spend the time and money making a story in a game .... it should be cheaper.
jivatmanxFeb 10, 2012Buried
I totally disagree.
I think there's room for games that are completely abstract like world of goo.
I think there's also room games that essentially try to create the best and most realistic movie-like experience that they can, like Uncharted.
And everything in between
And all of the things that don't even fit in this limited axis.
drunkrobotFeb 11, 2012Buried
Agreed, but I don't think he's stupid. He has a specific agenda and clearly, story telling is no longer part of it. His opinion will probably end up bitting him in the ass over the next decade.
10000lakesFeb 11, 2012Buried
YES THEY SHOULD! That's what keeps me playing the game through to the very end. I loved Dragon Age 1 and 2 because of the story. Bioware knows how to tell great stories with their games which totally draws me in and keeps me buying their games. If the story isn't good, then I will get bored & stop playing. Without a good story, video games are just boring and repetitive!
circeherbivoraFeb 11, 2012Buried
I'm a woman in the 30-45 demographic and I will only play a game WITH some sort of storyline. I know other women just like me! Some of us may be recent newcomers to the gaming world but our money is just as valuable as anyone elses'- perhaps moreso because we are less likely to try to buy our game illegally or find a way to get it for free.
So yeah- the shooter games and sports games have their fans, but keep Fallout, and Mass Effect and their ilk coming for those of us who love them.